Ok, the cane got a nerf and it deserved it.

But why does the Drake get a buff? (less shields, more gank)

Drakes will be even more op than now...

/me is sad

-Damage decreased by 20% (rounded to closest digit)

Just noticed this! Holy crap CCP, 20% nerf to damage and 25% nerf to range?!

HMLs still have the highest sustained damage, second highest range and second highest volley of all the systems. Sure, missiles take a while to reach a target, but when they do, they are more consistent in applying the damage to targets of equal or higher size, as it should be for all weapon systems.

You look at the massive nerf percentages, but you fail to perceive how strong they were compared to other weapon systems. Stop whining, you really have no basis to stand on.

Wait, what? Battleship-sized weapons will have to be fitted to battleships to have a decent tank against comparable weapons?!

No what I said is drakes aren't broken in small gang use now.

They are only really broken as a blob fleet.

You do not fix broken stuff by breaking the working stuff. The lead designer needs to be fired cus a monkey with half his brain in a jar could see you fix the other stuff that is broken to bring it in line with stuff that is working.

Fix medium rails, fix the really crappy ships that are competing with the drake - this is complete lazy crap on a stick. CCP used to be good for actually promoting the racial differences in ships until they got these new clowns who brought you walking in stations and micro transactions.

Fire them all and get some real designers who are't afraid of a challenge.

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This is my main concern.New players will be those who will have hard time.When I say new I think those that are up to 6-7 months old.It is not problem to get other ships more used it is that they / we dont have what other ships to use to be if nothing close to effective as those two are mostly reason for this nerf it seems.

I would not have problem to use T2 cruiser on my Caldari pilot ,but that T2 suck so bad .

I will say same as I did in my previous post ,HML was op in some things like range and same dps application no matter of target distance ,but was that dmg so much op to be 20% less now with this proposed changes?

Again I would not have problem if I am player that is two years old and you have gunnery and cross trained ship options,but sadly I dont have.For us it will be even more hard to get involved in some cool stuff older players do just cause some went Caldari way.

Lucky for me I have one more pilot with gunnery :/.

This is exactly it. Everyone who is like "Yay, this change is the best!" Hasn't really thought about how drakes are only "reasonably good" in small scale and solo PvP, now they will just be useless, along with any other boat that usually uses heavy missiles, in this form of warfare.

Yeah would be a shame if seemingly the majority (in this thread anyway) were overuled to satisfy the minority. God Forbid.

The HAM Tengu puts out > 1000 DPS, and will do so with better damage application and better range than ever before. Please learn how to fit a ship.

-Liang

Because drakes scale very well into large nullsec blobs. They are easy to orbit anchor f1 with and receive reps better than any other bc besides the lolprophecy.

Whatttttt ??!

Canes are already a soft target compared with others, now even softer?!

This make absolute no sence to me

There was a reason I trained all races frigs, cruisers, and bs to 5. And all races t3 sub systems to 5. In additions to training up to use all tech 2 weapons systems.

There ALWAYS seems to be something getting nerfed, and it's the best way to make sure you can fly whatever fotm is until it gets nerfed not long after.

Though, is this really a good thing?

It's not as simple as a vote. We take all reasoned arguments into account but in the end Eve's balance is CCP's responsibility and we can't shirk that responsibility.

Fixed that for you.

But seriously guys do you not think that CCP has
got plan for the rest of the caldari missile boats that never get used that
would balance this out ?

For example the cerb which could be a awesome long range missile boat with wicked speed
Or maby they have a suprise for the ferox ?
This is EVE anything is possible , just be positive

I think the HM changes (nerf?)is necessary to make it on par with long range medium guns.
But now, HAMs need more love!

TDs will be really op ... imagine pilgrims/curses now tackling drakes or tengus.... because they cannot hit the drones applying damage and cannot turn on hardeners because of low cap

have to stockpile some of these :)

I don't see HMLs as OP, I see HMLs as the only missiles that has a chance to compete with guns. You can use post all the EFT warrior stats you want, I've faught and flown enough of them enough to know the reality. Destroying HMLs will not make the other Caldari ships any better. Destroying HMLs will not make Gallenete worth flying.

This is how I see the races. I'm trained to fly and fit all 4, minus titans. I've killed hundreds of Drakes and Tengus, and lost hundreds of Canes.

Gallente sexiest ship. Worst ships! Ranis tackles. Comet, Ishkur can do small and medium plex with the abilty to PVP some other ships within that size restrictions.

Amarr second best looking ships. Most useful in fleets and blobs. Works well in PVE.

Minmatar pretty damn ugly minus a few. Cane worked well in solo organgs prenerf. Few other good fleet ships. Some good PVE ships.

Caldari generally ugly and useless outside of a couple PVE ships.The only OP ship in the game Falcon. Drake and tengu were useful prenerf.